Topic: Logging Business use of CB Radio

[Robert1984]

In the South East Of South Australia particularly the Limestone Coast where i live alot of businesses utilize UHF CB for day to day communications cause its cheaper than having equipment which is worth thousands of dollars and costs more to maintain an ACMA licence

The Country Fire Service also uses UHF CB as a means of communicating with private farm units, water bomber pilots who dont have GRN radios in their aircraft, bulk water carriers during large scale fires as well as liaising with SES volunteers during land searches 

Heres my compiled list of companies/services South East who use UHF CB

Auspine (Kalangadoo timber yard and mill)
G&R Logging
Tabeel Trading
Mc Donald Logging
Moreland Logging
Dohnts Logging
Integrated Tree Cropping
Timbercorp
Country Fire Service
SAPOL
SES
Transport SA

It may surprise everyone but here in the country regardless of how many people or businesses that use UHF CB there has never been any problems at all cause each user has their own channel and operating hours or in which case only use UHF when the need is there for it

[trash]

Yes, if you use the same CTCSS Subtone, they will be able to hear you.
Though most are close together so FM capture effect will make it hard for you to talk over them.

If they're crane operators or other critical applictions, screwing with them you might find yourself on the wrong side of the law.
You can bet that the first case is prosecuted, they are going to make a very big deal out of it like they have done with laser pointers.

You can bet such action would eventually lead to the reintroduction of CB licences.
This could then be cause to follow licencing like they have done with PWC's and jetskis. In order to prevent excessive abuse by large numbers of morons, they price the licencing and policing high.
Do you feel like paying $50 or $100 a year for a CB licence ?

It's pretty simple. The law says that ANYBODY, individual or business has the right to use the spectrum.
With this comes the simple fact that the world is filled with morons and some morons are going to operate simplex on an input and some morons are going to operate duplex. If you don't like morons, then maybe it's time to turn up to a foundation licence course and hang out for a couple of hours, have a chat open a few packets of cornflakes to find your new qualification and live happily ever after in a radio land where commercial operators don't exist.

Now if anybody thinks they can't get a foundation licence, then they REALLY must be stupid.
I have NEVER EVER heard of anybody not getting a licence after walking out of such an event.
11 year old girl guides are walking away with licences.
Policy is ... Nobody fails except the person to dumb to even turn up!

[bundy1]

can you set a uhf radio to the same ctcss code and talk or not

[grant]

I have updated the list again.
I have included the inbetween frequencies as I have found a few users there including a construction site in Port Macquarie
I was listening to one of the Ch 7 operators discussing about how 12.5Khz spacing is now being referred to in some documents on UHFCB equipment as Ch 1A, Ch 2A etc.
I actually rang up a friend over in the Revesby area to tell him about a particular user on Ch 15 .... only to find that he couldn't hear him them - as somebody in his local area was using it already.
It would be great to get some feedback from other areas of Sydney as it is obvious to me that there is a huge number of business users out there.

Grant

PS  I find that sitting on the rooftop of your local shopping centre is a great location to monitor from


 

[trash]

From my cursory understanding of the class licence you have a legitimate right to object to folk using channels

That's correct.

On the other hand, the other business folk appear to have a legitimate right to use the CB band.

Also correct

Essentially anybody can use it - which is the way a lot of the communication companies are marketing it.

I think the cheapy hand helds also have something to do with it

Deliberate interference of other users maybe the basis of a case for action

correct

by the ACMA but it would be hard to prosecute I reckon.

also correct !

  For instance I noticed on the Karuah-Buladelah freeway upgrade, there is extensive use of CB radio as there are signs every kilometre or so telling the construction trucks what channel to use.

This is actually quite good use of CB, since the steering wheel attendants have UHFCB in their trucks, it makes for a safe working environment.
I also note that they do seem to have some sense about which channels they use.

Publishing the list is very interesting, thanks for that. It's also effective for influencing them to use ch9-30 range.

I'm supprised that some aren't using DCS.

[grant]

From my cursory understanding of the class licence you have a legitimate right to object to folk using channels ithat have repeater inputs and outputs. On the other hand, the other business folk appear to have a legitimate right to use the CB band. Essentially anybody can use it - which is the way a lot of the communication companies are marketing it. Deliberate interference of other users maybe the basis of a case for action by the ACMA but it would be hard to prosecute I reckon.

You can understand why folk set themselves up this way - it is cheap and effective, especially if the comms are localised as on a construction site.  For instance I noticed on the Karuah-Buladelah freeway upgrade, there is extensive use of CB radio as there are signs every kilometre or so telling the construction trucks what channel to use. On the F3 at Berowra the trucks are using Ch 15 for the BMD Construction works.

The particular user that I would like to find out more information on is the hotel on channel 1 - however it is almost impossible to hear it except late at night, as it rarely quiet on that channel (especially in the last 6 weeks!!). They seem to have line of site with the repeater but don't hear any CB users - possibly there are on Ch 31 rather than 1. Personally I can't hear them on Ch 31.


Grant

PS To update my list I am just going to edit and modify the original post- if that is OK with you Bunter.

[BuNtEr]

You have been a busy boy haven't you, if i had the time it would be great to drive around near these people use there tone and drive them up the wall then tell them they are using Cb channels.

[grant]

This a pet project of mine
As a scanner enthusiast I have become aware of the large number of business users on UHF CB in Sydney - and not only Sydney - in most suburbs and country towns
CB radio is a cheap way of providing comms for many business users
The usual business user (security, hotel, construction etc) has radios set to a particular offset tone to filter out other users.
To all intents and purposes they are totally unaware of anybody listening
For example - Dozens and dozen of pubs are using CB radio frequencies for security comms on Friiday, Saturday and Sunday nights
And it is not only private businesses here on CB, large government departments also use CB for back channel comms eg railways

What I have listed below is just my attempt from the inner west to capture a snapshot of who is using what frequencies when and where.
I would be really interested in hearing from other folk .... doesn't matter where you are .... city ... country
However you do need a scanner that can show CTCSS or DCS tones to be able to compile a list of local users.
Some users have resorted to voice inversion but this can be easily defeated with the right equipment  (unless they are using what is known as rolling encryption). Can you hear the Donald Duck noise on any of the channels?


Grant

PS  Some folk have suggested that providing the users frequency + tone is just asking for trouble. However I find that if somebody can program a radio to transmit on a frequency in or out of band, then working out something like tones is really quite easy in comparsion.


Legend:
[136.5] = CTCSS tone 136.5Hz
[d331] = DCS tone 331
[CSQ] = Carrier Squelch
Unid = Unidentified
[] = Has a tone but unknown

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476.4250 UHF CB Channel 1 - Duplex - Repeater
[67.0] - Computer IT techs
[74.4] - Unid - Hotel + Security - weekend overnight CBD
[100.0] - "Roto Traffic" - Overnight cablers Railway Square area, Broadway
[103.5 Output] - Channel 1 CB Repeater - Hurstville "SYD01" (has used d331 and d465 as well)
[136.5] - Hire cars @ Sydney Airport ?Budget?
[233.6] - Crane Company crane/jib
[d131] - Crane Company
[d365] - Construction company
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476.4375 UHF CB Channel 1A
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476.4500 UHF CB Channel 2 - Duplex - Repeater
[d413] - Unid
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476.4625 UHF CB Channel 2A
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476.4750 UHF CB Channel 3 - Duplex - Repeater
[107.2] - Unid
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476.4875 UHF CB Channel 3A
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476.5000 UHF CB Channel 4 - Duplex - Repeater
[77.0] - Film crew makeup - auditions?
[d730] - Unid
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476.5125 UHF CB Channel 4A
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476.5250 UHF CB Channel 5 - Duplex - Repeater - Emergency Call Channel
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476.5375 UHF CB Channel 5A
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476.5500 UHF CB Channel 6 - Duplex - Repeater
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476.5625 UHF CB Channel 6A
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476.5750 UHF CB Channel 7 - Duplex - Repeater
[79.7]  Ch 7 Repeater West Pennant Hills
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476.5875 UHF CB Channel 7A
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476.6000 UHF CB Channel 8 - Duplex - Repeater
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476.6125 UHF CB Channel 8A
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476.6250 UHF CB Channel 9 - Simplex
[67.0] - Unknown user - "Channel 1"
[91.3] - unid
[097.4] - Security alarm techs
[114.8] - Large Hotel - cleaners - ?? (Room 7062 a priority)
[118.8] - Unid - "get that bin in B Block
[141.3] - Unid
[162.2] - unid
[d115] - Unid
[d155] - Large Hotel - C/s "5", Reception

Central Coast / Hunter Security
[] -  Bobcat Security ? Maitland

[] - Unid - used by Port Macquarie apartment
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476.6375 UHF CB Channel 9A
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476.6500 UHF CB Channel 10 - Simplex
[67.0] - Construction site - crane/jib operation
[71.9] - Unknown user - "Channel 2 "
[107.2] - Unid
[210.7] - Unid
[d306] - CRT Yennora
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476.6625 UHF CB Channel 10A
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476.6750 UHF CB Channel 11 - Simplex - Call channel
[118.8] - Unknown user - SOPA Athlethic Centre or nearby Private School?
[151.4] - Construction site
[179.9] - Construction site - Crane/jib operation. Bricklayers.
[186.2] - Unid
[d072] - Construction site
[d311] - Construction site - crane jib
[CSQ] - unid - bins
[CSQ] - unid - "car park full"
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476.6875 UHF CB Channel 11A
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476.7000 UHF CB Channel 12 - Simplex
[067.0] - Russian? - Russian Club Strathfield?
[151.4] - Construction Site - Crane/jib
[199.5] - Construction site
[241.8] - Unid
[d023] - Novotel Homebush Bay - Housekeeping
[d155] - unknown user
[d226] - Unknown user - discussion about motor vehicle
[d311] - Unknown user
[d546] - Unknown user - Sydney CBD
Startrack Express Depots reported to use UHF CB Channel 12
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476.7125 UHF CB Channel 12A
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476.7250 UHF CB Channel 13 - Simplex
[103.5] - Construction site - crane/jib operation. Apartment site
[218.1] - Unknown user
[d423] - Construction site
[d662] - Arabic language - possibly Flemington Markets
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476.7375 UHF CB Channel 13A
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476.7500 UHF CB Channel 14 - Simplex
[69.3] Security @ Jacksons Landing Waterfront Village Pyrmont Gatehouse
   C/S Charlie 1, Sierra 1,2
[110.9] - Cargo Bar Security, Kings Street Wharf Sydney CBD
[118.8] - Electricians
[d074] - Unid
[d156] - Security @ unknown location C/s Base, Zero 1
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476.7625 UHF CB Channel 14A
[118.8]  Foreign language
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476.7750 UHF CB Channel 15 - Simplex
[74.4] - Crane Company
[103.5] - Unid
[123.0] - crane
[146.2] - Unid Security @ inner west
[203.5] - Unid - Construction Site - Crane/jib operation
[250.3] - Waterloo (Hillsong Church) - TV Dept Ops
[d051] - Pickles Motor Auctions (in-house link between "official" bidders - Very suspect arrangement!!)
[d132] - Construction site
[d632] - Level 3, 7 - Novetel Homebush Bay??  C/S Ops
[CSQ] - Security alarm techs - Homebush Bay ?

Overnight express runners country channel

[] -  McDonalds Restaurant Security  Kings Street Newcastle
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476.7875 UHF CB Channel 15A - simplex
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476.8000 UHF CB Channel 16 - Simplex
[110.9] - Security?? Requesting 2 coffees at 2.30am (City CBD site)
[123.0] - Construction Site - Crane/jib operation
[136.5] - Construction Site - Crane/jib operation
[151.4] - Unknown user - involves a forklift
[162.2] - Construction site - Civil - has to see electricians to get conduit
[d023] - Unid
[D054] - Construction site
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476.8125  UHF CB Channel 16A - Simplex
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476.8250 UHF CB Channel 17 - Simplex
[67.0] - Waterloo (Hillsong Church) - Medical Ops
[107.2] - Construction (concrete)
[114.8] - Deliveries
[d043] - Unknown user
[d411] - cleaners (rhodes area)
[CSQ] - Construction site - crane/jib operation

[] - MJ Finigans Irish Pub Security ? Newcastle
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476.8375  UHF CB Channel 17A - Simplex
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476.8500 UHF CB Channel 18 - Simplex
[123.0] - crane
[131.8] - Waterloo (Hillsong Church) - Maintenance
[233.6] - Unid
[d243] - professional film crew @ Homebush.... "frame lock .... "action .... clear the shot"
[d532] - Unid - Sydney CBD
[d632] - unid
The caravan channel in the country
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476.8625  UHF CB Channel 18A - Simplex
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476.8750 UHF CB Channel 19 - Simplex
[82.5] - Waterloo (Hillsong Church) - Logistics
[107.2] - Unknown user - Sydney CBD
[131.8] - Flemington Markets Produce Merchant
[225.7] - Unid
[d023] - Construction site
[d205] - Unid
[d261] - Construction site - at least 55 levels high - Sydney CBD
[d371] - unid
[d972] - unid
[CSQ] - Construction site - Crane/jib

Central Coast / Hunter Security
[] - Morriset Mega Market Security
[] - Station Hotel Security ? Hamilton
[] - Club G Security Islington

Central Coast / Hunter Security - Uses Ch 19, 20 or 21
Iguana Joes ? Gosford
Brothers Night Club ? The Entrance
The Entrance Leagues Club - The Entrance
Gwandalin Bowling Club
Lake Munmorah Bowling Club
Doyalson RSL
Cambridge Hotel ? Newcastle
Nelson Bay RSL
Nelson Bay Country Club
Erina Leagues Club
Gosford RSL
Terrigal Memorial Club
Ettalong Memorial Club
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476.8875  UHF CB Channel 19A - Simplex
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476.9000 UHF CB Channel 20 - Simplex
[88.5] - Unid - "4 mins to next sample"
[114.8] - Construction site
[156.7] - Construction Site Inner West - Crane/Jib
[203.5] - Waterloo (Hillsong Church) - Chat 1 (Back Channel)
[CSQ] - Arabic

Central Coast / Hunter Security
[] - Toronto Hotel Security
[] - Lake Macquarie Fair Security (SNP)
[] - Nelson Bay Golf Club Security
[] - E Group Security
[] - Exchange Hotel ? Hamilton

Central Coast / Hunter Security - Uses Ch 19, 20 or 21
Iguana Joes ? Gosford
Brothers Night Club ? The Entrance
The Entrance Leagues Club - The Entrance
Gwandalin Bowling Club
Lake Munmorah Bowling Club
Doyalson RSL
Cambridge Hotel ? Newcastle
Nelson Bay RSL
Nelson Bay Country Club
Erina Leagues Club
Gosford RSL
Terrigal Memorial Club
Ettalong Memorial Club
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476.9125  UHF CB Channel 20A - Simplex
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476.9250 UHF CB Channel 21 - Simplex
[88.5] - construction site - crane/jib
[114.8] - Unid
[146.2] - Greater Union Movies Hurstville - Ushers - Southern Sydney
[146.2] - Construction Site - Crane/Jib
[218.1] - Vietnamese - possibly around Flemington
[229.1] - Waterloo (Hillsong Church) - Childcare Ops
[d?] - Overnight security - Sydney CBD - at least 33 level bldg
[d026] - Unid

Central Coast / Hunter Security
[] - NES Security Various Venues
[] - E Group Security
[] - Exchange Hotel ? Hamilton

Reported to be the Greater Union Theatre Ushers channel

Central Coast / Hunter Security - Uses Ch 19, 20 or 21
Iguana Joes ? Gosford
Brothers Night Club ? The Entrance
The Entrance Leagues Club - The Entrance
Gwandalin Bowling Club
Lake Munmorah Bowling Club
Doyalson RSL
Cambridge Hotel ? Newcastle
Nelson Bay RSL
Nelson Bay Country Club
Erina Leagues Club
Gosford RSL
Terrigal Memorial Club
Ettalong Memorial Club
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476.9375 UHF CB Channel 21A - Simplex
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476.9500 UHF CB Channel 22 - Simplex - telemetry & remote control only.
[067.0] - Concord Golf Club? Used by catering @ tournment at Concord
[151.4] - unknown user
[156.7] - unknown user
[d023] - Construction & Scaffolding site - at least 5 levels - Crane/jib - Rhodes?
[CSQ] - Truckies on the North Shore
[] -  NES Various Venues Central Coast/Newcastle
Reported to be the Greater Union Theatre Ushers channel - alternative tone
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476.9625  UHF Channel 22A - Simplex
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476.9750 UHF CB Channel 23 - Simplex - telemetry & remote control only
[192.8] - Unid
[] -  NES Security Various Venues Central Coast/Newcastle
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476.9875  UHF Channel 23A - Simplex
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477.0000 UHF CB Channel 24 - Simplex
[88.5] - Foreign language
[94.8] - Unid
[127.3] - Unid - construction?
[162.2] - Waterloo (Hillsong Church) - Chat 2 (Back Channel)
[186.2] - Unid
[241.8] - Construction site Crane/Jib
[CSQ] - Chinese language
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477.0125  UHF Channel 24A - Simplex
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477.0250 UHF CB Channel 25 - Simplex
[d054] - unknown user - Surveyors?
[d065] - unknown user - Sydney CBD
[CSQ] - Driver talking about doing empties - with call tones
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477.0375  UHF CB Channel 25A - Simplex
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477.0500 UHF CB Channel 26 - Simplex
[114.8] - Unid
CSQ - Trucks - Concrete?
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477.0625  UHF CB Channel 26A - Simplex
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477.0750 UHF CB Channel 27 - Simplex
[88.5] - Waterloo (Hillsong Church) - Hosts Back Channel
[103.5] - Construction Site - Crane/jib - Sydney CBD
[110.9] - Unid - motor vehicles
[192.8] - Unid - Construction site? - request to send workers to First Aid
[d627] - discussion about function rooms
[d637] - unknown user
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477.0875  UHF CB Channel 27A - Simplex
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477.1000 UHF CB Channel 28 - Simplex
[107.2] - Construction Site - Crane/jib - Sydney CBD
[127.3] - University of NSW Ch 3 - Venue staff - doors and bars
[131.8] - Unid Asian - Vietnamese?
[156.7] - Unid
[241.8] - Waterloo (Hillsong Church) -Venue Internal
[d023] - Construction site - crane/jib - Sydney CBD
[CSQ] - Eastern european language
[CSQ] - truckies
[CSQ] - Arabic
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477.1125  UHF CB Channel 28A - Simplex
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477.1250 UHF CB Channel 29 - Simplex - Central Coast/F3/North Coast Truckies channel
[91.5] - Waterloo (Hillsong Church) - Production
[127.3]- University of NSW Ch 4 - Venue staff - doors and bars
[d054] - Containers? Transport business - loading pallets
[CSQ] - Construction - waste trucks??
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477.1375  UHF CB Channel 29A - Simplex
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477.1500 UHF CB Channel 30 - Simplex - Central Coast /F3 truckies channel
[71.9] - Waterloo (Hillsong Church) -Lighting Ops
[91.5] - Unid
[103.5] - Unid
[107.2] - Unid
[162.2] - Construction site - hammer drill discussion
[192.8] - Unid
[d412] - Unid
[CSQ] - Unknown use
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477.1675 UHF CB Channel 30A - Simplex
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477.1750 UHF CB Channel 31 - Repeater 1 Receive
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477.1875  UHF CB Channel 31A - Simplex
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477.2000 UHF CB Channel 32 - Repeater 2 Receive
[82.5] - Unid
[d051] - Unid
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477.2125  UHF CB Channel 32A - Simplex
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477.2250 UHF CB Channel 33 - Repeater 3 Receive
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477.2375  UHF CB Channel 33A - Simplex
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477.2500 UHF CB Channel 34 - Repeater 4 Receive
[218.1] - Unid
[] - Capri Plaza Security (Newcastle)
[] - King Street Hotel Security (Newcastle)
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477.2625  UHF CB Channel 34A - Simplex
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477.2750 UHF CB Channel 35 - Repeater 5 Receive - Emergency call channel
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477.2875  UHF CB Channel 35A - Simplex
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477.3000 UHF CB Channel 36 - Repeater 6 Receive
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477.3125  UHF CB Channel 36A - Simplex
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477.3250 UHF CB Channel 37 - Repeater 7 Receive
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477.3375  UHF CB Channel 37A - Simplex
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477.3500 UHF CB Channel 38 - Repeater 8 Receive
[CSQ] - Sydney City Council Garbage Trucks - Vehicle to Vehicle back channel.
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477.3625  UHF CB Channel 38A - Simplex
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477.3750 UHF CB Channel 39 - Simplex
[123.0] - Unid
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477.3875  UHF CB Channel 39A - Simplex
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477.4000 UHF CB Channel 40 - Simplex - Truckies Road Channel
[254.1] - Unknown user (Glebe area)
New England Hwy truckies channel
Hume Hwy truckies channel
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477.4125  UHF CB Channel 40A - Simplex
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